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Old 01-Jan-2010, 02:13 PM (14:13)   #1
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Irish blasphemy law goes into effect today.

But there isn't much new on it since May. Google.
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Old 01-Jan-2010, 06:48 PM (18:48)   #2
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The new law defines blasphemy as publishing or uttering matter that is grossly abusive or insulting in relation to matters held sacred by any religion, thereby intentionally causing outrage among a substantial number of adherents of that religion, with some defences permitted.
WHAT "defences"? The whole reason blasphemy laws are so pernicious is that believers, who need not offer any proof of harm or any rational basis for claiming offense, can set the offense bar so low that even an ant can't pass under it. Thus, "I'm exhausted and would like to skip church and sleep in this Sunday" can be deemed just as "grossly insulting" and "outrageous" as "Christians should be imprisoned and tortured until they deconvert."
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Old 01-Jan-2010, 07:22 PM (19:22)   #3
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yea, Blair Scott and D.J. Grothe were posting about this a few weeks ago. It seems a few steps back, did they not learn their lesson from the scandals of the orphanages and laundries ran by the catholic charities? had to apologize for that, *I see a vision many years down the road where they have to apologize for this stupid shit too!!



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Old 02-Jan-2010, 12:08 AM (00:08)   #4
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I'm beginning to think that there is a reason for all those Irish jokes.


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Old 02-Jan-2010, 12:28 AM (00:28)   #5
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There are folk resisting this terrible law http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...law?CMP=AFCYAH
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Old 02-Jan-2010, 03:44 PM (15:44)   #6
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God dammit!

(I'll bring a check for zillion Euros when I visit Ireland)
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Does this mean that when in Ireland I have to keep my mouth shut about how much I hate spaghetti and meat balls? It will be entertaining to see how people break this law in ridiculous ways just to test it's legality.

I would swear I remember seeing a poll showing that a majority of the Irish population believe in fairies, so it really isn't that surprising that they would pass a law against criticism of organized superstition.
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funny thing, we are planning on going to Ireland next year for vacation!
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funny thing, we are planning on going to Ireland next year for vacation!
Eek. Best not lose the temper.
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And best stay in the closet about your disbelief, since any expression of such could cause an offensive "outrage".

I don't think Ireland will be high on my vacation list. What a bunch of papist idiots.
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Old 03-Jan-2010, 05:50 PM (17:50)   #11
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And best stay in the closet about your disbelief, since any expression of such could cause an offensive "outrage".

I don't think Ireland will be high on my vacation list. What a bunch of papist idiots.
I haven't really read up on this, just saw it mentioned by P.Z. Myers. Do you think it's really papists behind this? I sort of thought it might be fear of muslim violence.
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Do you think it's really papists behind this? I sort of thought it might be fear of muslim violence.
You would.

Nah, it's the Church. It still has a grip on Ireland, though its grip is much diminished since the paedophile priests scandal.
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Old 05-Jan-2010, 05:09 AM (05:09)   #13
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Trevor will be going to bodhran/Irish whistle classes there next summer.
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Old 05-Jan-2010, 07:00 AM (07:00)   #14
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Talking Dragged backwards I see....
I'm not Irish but it looks pretty stupid to me. I'm descended from drunken Englishmen and drunken Scotsmen (and women).

My darling daughter, who is an agnostic, used to say "GODDAMNIT!!! OH, uh, I mean gosh darn it!". ROFL!!!

I think I raised her right....Unitarian Universalist secular humanist here.


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