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Originally Posted by Gurdur
I'm going to make some suggestions here to all IIDB members users.
I am also making a thread on Suggestions To The IIDB Admin Team, and that other thread will be up in 15 minutes' time.
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Helpful Suggestions To All The IIDB Users.
- Never ever accept small concessions with humble and grateful thanks, and with wildly unrealistic hopes.
.- What the history of the IIDB admin culture has very definitely shown over the last five years is an increasing attitude of contempt for moderators and
members users of the IIDB. And they have been confirmed in their contempt for you.
. - Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
. - And then: Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
. - The same people: Maverick, The Other Michael, Rob the Mediancat, Don Morgan, these people have learnt that if they throw a few crumbs to you, whether you are an IIDB moderator or an IIDB user, that you will sit up and beg and be very grateful in a very fetching pose of listening to His Master's Voice in your hi-fidelity. Time and time again, you've all been fobbed off with only the promise of a small concession, and history (links above) time and time again has always shown over the last 5 years that after allowing a brief period of venting by everyone, then the reactionary crackdown just starts all over again, and you're worse off than before.
. - Sweat the small stuff. The only way you would ever win anything out of this conflict is by organization and pressure, and a strike only wins when it hurts. OK, there's been some pain caused by some of the self-bannings, but not enough to sway the II BOD and those who really control the IIDB admin group. But now right at this time you have that rarest of phenomena happening, a genuinely spontaneous wildcat strike walk-out by certain IIDB moderators and at least one admin.
. - Use it or lose it; if you let this opportunity go, you're buggered forever after. Sweat the small stuff; start making valid but small complaints,since it all adds to the general pressure, and it makes the strike hurt. Insist on having matters settled ASAP.
. - But big stuff is better than small stuff. Try making valid complaints which are really valid. Make them significant, factual and solid.
. - Stick to your guns. Look at Jacey's complaint about RBH using "shitstirring" in regard to the "
members users" issue. Jacey was simply consquential and honest, and he stuck to his guns. He won the point and match. Normally he would have been told to fuck off and die; this time the field was in his favour, and he stuck to the field.
. - Be consequential and honest: make your points valid, no matter how small the point is. An invalid complaint only serves to confirm paranoia and arrogance on the other side; it only serves to increase contempt for you. Don't try playing the Emo Game; that only leads to despair on your side and ineffectuality.
. - Be at least semi-organized; get in while everyone else is. Wait a while, and your opportunity is lost, and you're only one individual left standing like a lonely shag on a rock.
. - Don't be bloody stupid. Personal abuse and vandalism again only serve to confirm paranoia and arrogance on the other side. Vandalising the Wikipedia article on the IIDB, or calling the poor admin "shitheads", only gets you bagged as a loser who has deserved to be a loser. Be graceful to the opposition when you are sure you can afford to be. Be effective, don't be emo.
. - Always think one step ahead at least: how is the oppostion going to reply to you? What is your planned reply to the opposition's planned reply, before you even make your first move?
There was that marvellous little Q&C thread where a poster said he hoped the IIDB burnt down. Predictably, the IIDB admin answering laughed it off with a small joke about thanking the poster for his rational reponse. The poster immediately came back with a fairly-well argued and calm reply about all the perceived faults in IIDB at this time, and built a reasonably solid argument -- then repeated the line about it burning down. IOW, what looked like a really bloody stupid emo rant got turned by the poster very damned quickly into quite a good riposte to the IIDB admin answering. Not the path I would have taken myself, but a reasonable job of rhetoric and then added calm description of facts saving the day on that one. Not a great example, but it will serve for the nonce.
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So much for IIDB users and moderators (and let's be blunt, for all the praise showered upon the IIDB moderators every now and then, what has become very clear is that they are held in as much contempt as the average users by certain IIDB admin and II BOD people).
Now to make my thread on Suggestions For The IIDB Admin, and that will be up in 15 minutes.
Links to be added to this OP later.
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Please cross-reference this thread with this one and this one.
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IIDB crisis associated threads Tracking Thread here |
Prophetic, in a way, but subsequent avents have exonerated most of the admins (Mediancat excepted)
We lost. And, in a perverse sort of way, won as well, insofar as we have found better places, in our own individual ways.
RnR has strengths that iidb lacked, at a price.
Here, and at the Hangout, there are strengths that iidb lacked, at lesser price.
Both, in their ways, with strengths iidb lacked.
IIDB has lost.
Lots of good admins, lots of good mods, lots of good posters, lots of vilification around the secular web, as opposed to The Secular Web.
David B (is rereading this thread as a result of a link Gurdur posted tonight somewhere, and apologises for thread necrophilia)
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