WTF: Half of U.S. still believes Iraq had WMD

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Originally Posted by Godless Dave

That's like being taller than Mini-Me.

[Storm_Raven]

The detention with out charge and incommunicado for ninety days without referral to a judge is just a small part of power the bill would have given the police and security services.

Blair is more than just shameless, he is trying to curb our civil liberties with legislation that won't do anything to make a terrorists life harder, but will however increase the beaucracy and the ease of identy theft.

Storm Raven

[Godless Dave]

I also read about the extradition bill. British citizens can be extradited to the US solely on the say-so of an American sheriff or prosecutor - no need for any of that pesky evidence or probably cause. But it's not reciprocal: if British law enforcement wants the US to extradite an American citizen they have to produce evidence.

[Storm_Raven]

That's because the American goverment have claimed "that there is not enough time for the bill to be debated and passed in this session", I smell a rather large mountain of horse manure there.

The whole thing about the extradition bill being reciprical was a ruse designed to get the British Parliment to pass the legislation, because I would happily put money on the fact that the Bush administration never had any intention of upholding their end.

Storm Raven

[Godless Dave]

It's actually a constitutional guarantee regarding the circumstances in which American citizens can be extradited. Bush couldn't uphold his end even if he wanted to.

[Storm_Raven]

As such it should never have been damn well offered by the US officials and the idiots in the British government should have known enough about American legislation and the constitution not to have fallen for the offer.

Storm Raven

[Quath]

I saw on the Daily Show last night a Bush speech. He was talking about how we had to react to losing 3,000 lives on 9-11 by fighting the terrorists in Iraq. So one reporter said "What did 9-11 have to do with Iraq." Bush said "Nothing."

Jon Stewart made such fun of this double talk.

Then Jon Sewart said that Bush was the Bizarro of John Lennon and showed a clip where Bush was saying things like "Imagine if Saddam had a nuclear weapon... Imagine if Bin Laden could..." That cracked me up.

Quath

For the pure hell of it, here are the lyrics to "Imagine."

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

[Gurdur]

A whole exchange here on Kerry vs. Bush split off to the Jungle into a new thread

I saw that show too Quath. I just sat there going "damn, damn, da-yum!" and ofcourse laughing at Laura and Georgies face being pasted onto the picture (I believe album cover).

[Moosey]

It doesn't surprise me at all that half the US should believe that. I saw a stat the other day that said two thirds of Americans - let me repeat that, TWO THIRDS - apparently do not believe that humans share more than 50% of genes with chimps (don't we in fact share 98% or something?).

Where the fuck is the world going? No offence to Americans, but where the fuck is the current administration of your country trying to take us?

[Quath]

I think that there is too much ignorance of science in America. For example, scientists know it is bad to reach a conclusion and then try to justify that conclusion. There are so many biases everywhere that you have to actively try to be more objective. Yet this does not seem to be common knowledge.

I see this a lot in religious debates. For example, someone believes that the Bible has no error (their conclusion) and they will be able to find ways to prove their conclusion correct (like say that the Genesis stories are in chronological order except where they contradict each other and then they are not). You can prove anything to yoursellf with this approach.

Likewise you can prove to yourself that Saddam had WMD; that the Iarqis would welcome us as liberators; and that democracy and American values would spread from that region because of this.

Quath

[Puck]

that democracy and American values would spread from that region because of this.

Unfortunatly, our values seem to have spread quite successfully. Our current values of deciet, lies, and greed.

[Moosey]

in the name of religion too .. that's the icing on the cake really .

Still, the pendulum should shift back one day and hopefully soon. Surely ordinary Americans aren't going to take much more of Bush and his ilk? (say 'no' just to humour me ;)).

[Garnet]

Pardon me for being cynical, but it's my observation lately that ordinary Americans are idjuts. Elections are decided on a candidates postion on:

1. Abortion
2. Gay Marriage
3. The war in Iraq

That's it folks...there ain't no other issues out there.

[Moosey]

Voting based on the first two especially pisses me off. What fucking difference does it make if two people of the same sex get married? And more to the point, do people who voted for Bush really think that he was going to be able to entirely ban abortion?

[links zwo drei vier]

What Garnet said. Fucking hell, BB2, let's just get married now and move to fucking Germany or Switzerland.